# 25.04 Testing- are you brave enough?

**URL:** <https://discourse.ubuntubudgie.org/t/25-04-testing-are-you-brave-enough/7498>\
**Category:** Development\
**Created:** [November 26, 2024, 2:56pm UTC](https://discourse.ubuntubudgie.org/t/25-04-testing-are-you-brave-enough/7498 "2024-11-26T14:56:05Z")\
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**Post date:** [November 26, 2024, 2:56pm UTC](https://discourse.ubuntubudgie.org/t/25-04-testing-are-you-brave-enough/7498/1 "2024-11-26T14:56:05Z")

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This topic is intended to capture early testing of 25.04 (Plucky Puffin).

The desktop ISO for 25.04 can be found [here](http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-budgie/daily-live/current/)

[25.04 Schedule](https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/plucky-puffin-release-schedule/36461)

If you have spare hardware (or a virtual machine or two) and don’t mind regularly reinstalling when (and I mean WHEN) 25.04 eats your installation then feel free to give your feedback here. **Early testing will improve the final release**

Please use [http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/](http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/) for testing ISOs (just click the relevant links and there’s guides as you navigate the site)

Packages and hardware are meant to be tested also using QA trackers: [https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QATeam/Roles/Tester](https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QATeam/Roles/Tester)

As the above page shows, probably the best way to get stuck in with testing is run Ubuntu 25.04 (either download or upgrade from 24.10 with `update-manager -d` ) as often as possible for usual tasks (bearing in mind that one’s productivity and data may be hampered by bugs on 25.04!) and reporting bugs with `ubuntu-bug` and `ubuntu-bug package-name` as you go.

Alternatively, there is always a _huge_ backlog of bugs that need to be triaged (i.e., progressed towards being fixed), head to [https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BugSquad](https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BugSquad) for a guide on getting started with that!

Use this [query](https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/plucky/+bugs?orderby=-heat&start=0) to see if your testing issue has been highlighted by others first **before reporting**.

This first post will be updated with the latest important info - so you don’t need to trawl through the posts. Remember - everything listed below is subject to change/removal and should not be used as indicative with the beta & later release.

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draft release notes TBD.

## Applets and mini-apps

For Ubuntu Budgie applets these can be tested via our daily PPA for 24.10:

`sudo add-apt-repository ppa:ubuntubudgie-dev/budgie-extras-daily && sudo apt upgrade`

## Budgie Desktop

1. Our focus in this schedule is the Wayland version of Budgie-Desktop. This will be offered initially either via a PPA or as part of the stable release. This decision has yet to be made.

## Other Improvements and Bug Fixes

### Bug Fixes

### Other Improvements

1. We have decided to drop thunderbird from our default install. With most users now using web based email, we trust our community to choose the best client if they require a dedicated email app.

## Raspberry Pi

## Themes

1. 

## Budgie Welcome

Our welcome app is automatically updated for all 24.04, 24.10 & 25.04 users

1. Getting Start - the browser ballot now includes email clients to allow the community an easy way to install the email client of their choice
2. Our french support has been thoroughly reviewed and updated by community member @jlb … may thanks
3. Locale fixes have been rolled out to default correctly to the base locale (if available) rather than defaulting to english.
4. **Please help with translations**

## Additional

1. 25.04 includes the UB team wallpaper selection for this cycle. Do feel free to install all the past wallpaper packages - they are named budgie-wallpapers-distroname such as budgie-wallpapers-noble

## Areas to look out for

The Ubuntu release notes are to be found [here](https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/plucky-puffin-release-notes)

## Packaging Updates

Whilst not immediately obvious, various packages need to be updated for a number of reasons, so this section lists what updates have been made and this needs extra testing to confirm no regressions:

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**Author:** ![Frogshair](https://yyz1.discourse-cdn.com/flex035/user_avatar/discourse.ubuntubudgie.org/frogshair/32/1515_2.png) [@Frogshair](https://discourse.ubuntubudgie.org/u/Frogshair)\
**Post date:** [November 27, 2024, 11:50pm UTC](https://discourse.ubuntubudgie.org/t/25-04-testing-are-you-brave-enough/7498/2 "2024-11-27T23:50:02Z")

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Getting prepared,one broken package the entire 24.10 cycle left me with little to report. 😀

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**Author:** ![jlb](https://yyz1.discourse-cdn.com/flex035/user_avatar/discourse.ubuntubudgie.org/jlb/32/4919_2.png) [@jlb](https://discourse.ubuntubudgie.org/u/jlb)\
**Post date:** [November 28, 2024, 6:02am UTC](https://discourse.ubuntubudgie.org/t/25-04-testing-are-you-brave-enough/7498/3 "2024-11-28T06:02:29Z")

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Still the [same nasty problem as in UB 24.04](https://discourse.ubuntubudgie.org/t/missing-translation-in-home-directory-categories/7223), the home directory folders are not (all) translated if you choose French (FR) during installation:

 ![UB25.04](https://canada1.discourse-cdn.com/flex035/uploads/ubuntubudgie/original/2X/e/e5c81af898eee88adfa1ec5672cbd0c622cecfed.png)

However, Elementary OS 8, which also uses Ubuntu 24.04 and its installer, albeit redesigned, offers to rename these folders right from the live session:

 ![EOS8 #1](https://canada1.discourse-cdn.com/flex035/uploads/ubuntubudgie/original/2X/f/f02ac462761366e7c1dac644f23ae752fd0e013f.png)

… and it works!

 ![EOS #2](https://canada1.discourse-cdn.com/flex035/uploads/ubuntubudgie/original/2X/4/41bf0f8609accde5db07f8cb5662d83f04505887.png)

Is this not possible on UB?

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**Author:** ![fossfreedom](https://yyz1.discourse-cdn.com/flex035/user_avatar/discourse.ubuntubudgie.org/fossfreedom/32/1405_2.png) [@fossfreedom](https://discourse.ubuntubudgie.org/u/fossfreedom)\
**Post date:** [November 28, 2024, 8:40am UTC](https://discourse.ubuntubudgie.org/t/25-04-testing-are-you-brave-enough/7498/4 "2024-11-28T08:40:55Z")

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It used to-do this. Not sure what the application/process that does this. Would need investigation - suggest look at `ps -ef` at the time that dialog appears to see what app is running. That should give a hint of where to look next.

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**Author:** ![fossfreedom](https://yyz1.discourse-cdn.com/flex035/user_avatar/discourse.ubuntubudgie.org/fossfreedom/32/1405_2.png) [@fossfreedom](https://discourse.ubuntubudgie.org/u/fossfreedom)\
**Post date:** [November 28, 2024, 12:18pm UTC](https://discourse.ubuntubudgie.org/t/25-04-testing-are-you-brave-enough/7498/5 "2024-11-28T12:18:54Z")

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The dialog is probably from this package xdg-user-dirs - does seem to be an awful lot of bug reports [Bugs : xdg-user-dirs package : Ubuntu](https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xdg-user-dirs)

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**Author:** ![jlb](https://yyz1.discourse-cdn.com/flex035/user_avatar/discourse.ubuntubudgie.org/jlb/32/4919_2.png) [@jlb](https://discourse.ubuntubudgie.org/u/jlb)\
**Post date:** [November 28, 2024, 5:26pm UTC](https://discourse.ubuntubudgie.org/t/25-04-testing-are-you-brave-enough/7498/6 "2024-11-28T17:26:57Z")

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> [@fossfreedom](#):
>
> suggest look at `ps -ef` at the time that dialog appears to see what app is running. That should give a hint of where to look next.

On elementary OS when the dialog box appears: [ps-ef.txt](https://discourse.ubuntubudgie.org/uploads/short-url/3OTPeGxxohvhjVNHMTic2vwCEvO.txt) (23.1 KB)

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**Post date:** [November 28, 2024, 5:53pm UTC](https://discourse.ubuntubudgie.org/t/25-04-testing-are-you-brave-enough/7498/7 "2024-11-28T17:53:38Z")

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K… i would have hoped you could help here to identify the process itseld by comparing between when the dialog appears and when it disappears.

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Sorry, I thought you were much more adept than me at spotting this at first glance… 😶

I made several attempts to install UB 25.04 to give you what you wanted.  
Here’s the result:

- When the dialogue box appears:

```auto
root 8058 1 0 09:25 ? 00:00:00 /usr/bin/python3 /usr/libexec/language-selector/ls-dbus-backend
root 8134 1 0 09:25 ? 00:00:00 /usr/libexec/boltd
jean 8214 1995 0 09:25 ? 00:00:00 /usr/bin/dbus-daemon --session --address=systemd: --nofork --nopidfile --systemd-activation --syslog-only

```

- After accepting the directory name change:

```auto
root 8058 1 0 09:25 ? 00:00:00 /usr/bin/python3 /usr/libexec/language-selector/ls-dbus-backend
root 8132 1 0 09:25 ? 00:00:00 /usr/lib/systemd/systemd-localed
root 8134 1 0 09:25 ? 00:00:00 /usr/libexec/boltd
jean 8214 1995 0 09:25 ? 00:00:00 /usr/bin/dbus-daemon --session --address=systemd: --nofork --nopidfile --systemd-activation --syslog-only

```

To get the box to appear, I had to switch from fr-FR to fr-CA, the directory names aren’t quite the same: ‘Récent / Fichiers récents’ (which is actually better).  
As always, switching to fr-CA solves the problem.

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It’s actually much more complicated than that, it’s even completely random: I even got a perfect installation in French, but only once!

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**Post date:** [January 3, 2025, 8:20pm UTC](https://discourse.ubuntubudgie.org/t/25-04-testing-are-you-brave-enough/7498/9 "2025-01-03T20:20:15Z")

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All. FYI. Debian has dropped the old bluetooth support BCC required. So a patch by Debian has been uploaded in 9 days time to hide the bluetooth panel.

I have uploaded to budgie desktop a patch to pull in blueman, hide its statusnotifier icon, and patch the bluetooth status applet settings button to open blueman-manager.

All needs testing. The updated budgie-desktop is now in plucky.

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**Author:** ![Frogshair](https://yyz1.discourse-cdn.com/flex035/user_avatar/discourse.ubuntubudgie.org/frogshair/32/1515_2.png) [@Frogshair](https://discourse.ubuntubudgie.org/u/Frogshair)\
**Post date:** [January 27, 2025, 11:41pm UTC](https://discourse.ubuntubudgie.org/t/25-04-testing-are-you-brave-enough/7498/10 "2025-01-27T23:41:51Z")

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Budgie Welcome seems to have gone missing although it shows up in snap list.

```auto
snap list
Name Version Rev Tracking Publisher Notes
bare 1.0 5 latest/stable canonical✓ base
core22 20250110 1748 latest/stable canonical✓ base
firefox 134.0.2-1 5647 latest/stable mozilla✓ -
gnome-42-2204 0+git.38ea591 202 latest/stable/… canonical✓ -
gtk-common-themes 0.1-81-g442e511 1535 latest/stable/… canonical✓ -
gtk-theme-orchis 2022-07-20 3 latest/stable eeickmeyer -
gtk-theme-pocillo 0.14.4.1 5 latest/stable ubuntubudgie -
snap-store 0+git.7a3a49a6 1248 2/stable/… canonical✓ -
snapd 2.67 23545 latest/stable canonical✓ snapd
snapd-desktop-integration 0.9 253 latest/stable/… canonical✓ -
ubuntu-budgie-welcome 0.25.7 536 latest/stable/… ubuntubudgie classic

```

```auto
sudo snap install ubuntu-budgie-welcome
[sudo] password for david: 
snap "ubuntu-budgie-welcome" is already installed, see 'snap help
       refresh'
~$ snap refresh
All snaps up to date.

```

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**Post date:** [January 28, 2025, 4:52am UTC](https://discourse.ubuntubudgie.org/t/25-04-testing-are-you-brave-enough/7498/11 "2025-01-28T04:52:58Z")

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What do you mean? The launcher is gone?  
Try uninstalling and reinstalling:

```auto
sudo snap remove ubuntu-budgie-welcome
sudo snap install ubuntu-budgie-welcome

```

🤔

Or enter this line to benefit from BW development version:

```auto
sudo snap refresh ubuntu-budgie-welcome --channel=edge

```

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Yeah. I am aware. All snaps from the snapstore don’t appear in the menu. Not sure what changes Ubuntu have done but I suspect its a path issue.

Please can you raise a bug report against snapd?

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> [@jlb](#):
>
> ```auto
> sudo snap install ubuntu-budgie-welcome
> 
> ```

Tried to reinstall and encountered this error. adding --classic with or with out a space produces the same error.

```auto
sudo snap install ubuntu-budgie-welcome
error: This revision of snap "ubuntu-budgie-welcome" was published using
       classic confinement and thus may perform arbitrary system changes
       outside of the security sandbox that snaps are usually confined to,
       which may put your system at risk.

       If you understand and want to proceed repeat the command including
       --classic.

```

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Will do after I get a fresh daily build installed.

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**Post date:** [January 29, 2025, 4:54pm UTC](https://discourse.ubuntubudgie.org/t/25-04-testing-are-you-brave-enough/7498/15 "2025-01-29T16:54:51Z")

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On my new daily build, Firefox was also invisible, but was able to get it open via the terminal. I then downloaded a .deb based browser. I will need to find and email client as well and then start working on the bug. Installed Evolution since Thunderbird was missing.

Getting an error, is my command correct ?

```auto
ubuntu-bug snap
[sudo] password for david: 
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "/usr/share/apport/apport-gtk", line 660, in <module>
    app.run_argv()
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~ ^^
  File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/apport/ui.py", line 916, in run_argv
    return self.run_report_bug()
           ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ^^
  File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/apport/ui.py", line 739, in run_report_bug
    self.file_report()
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ^^
  File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/apport/ui.py", line 1790, in file_report
    upthread.exc_raise()
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ^^
  File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/apport/REThread.py", line 67, in exc_raise
    raise self._exception[1].with_traceback(self._exception[2])
  File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/apport/REThread.py", line 42, in run
    self._retval = self.__target(*self.__args, **self.__kwargs)
                   ~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
  File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/apport/crashdb_impl/launchpad.py", line 223, in upload
    ticket = upload_blob(blob_file, progress_callback, hostname=self.get_hostname())
  File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/apport/crashdb_impl/launchpad.py", line 1251, in upload_blob
    assert ticket
           ^^^^^^
AssertionError

```

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**Post date:** [January 29, 2025, 9:42pm UTC](https://discourse.ubuntubudgie.org/t/25-04-testing-are-you-brave-enough/7498/16 "2025-01-29T21:42:25Z")

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```
ubuntu-bug snapd

```

Note the package name

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**Post date:** [January 29, 2025, 9:55pm UTC](https://discourse.ubuntubudgie.org/t/25-04-testing-are-you-brave-enough/7498/17 "2025-01-29T21:55:24Z")

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Thanks, I forgot about the d. 😀

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**Post date:** [January 29, 2025, 10:23pm UTC](https://discourse.ubuntubudgie.org/t/25-04-testing-are-you-brave-enough/7498/18 "2025-01-29T22:23:58Z")

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I entered the command successfully and a dialog box opened indicating there were two versions of snapd installed. I selected the first and was informed the bug was not re-portable. I selected the second on the next try and the system gathered the data requested a password and the upload failed.

 ![Snapshot_2025-01-29_17-15-12](https://canada1.discourse-cdn.com/flex035/uploads/ubuntubudgie/original/2X/3/3b93fbf072364b41e8c40a7615733af5aeb11c77.png)

```auto
david@ubudgie:~$ ubuntu-bug snapd
REDACTED config part /etc/cloud/cloud.cfg.d/99-installer.cfg, insufficient permissions
REDACTED config part /etc/cloud/cloud.cfg.d/90-installer-network.cfg, insufficient permissions
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "/usr/share/apport/apport-gtk", line 660, in <module>
    app.run_argv()
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~ ^^
  File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/apport/ui.py", line 916, in run_argv
    return self.run_report_bug()
           ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ^^
  File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/apport/ui.py", line 739, in run_report_bug
    self.file_report()
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ^^
  File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/apport/ui.py", line 1790, in file_report
    upthread.exc_raise()
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ^^
  File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/apport/REThread.py", line 67, in exc_raise
    raise self._exception[1].with_traceback(self._exception[2])
  File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/apport/REThread.py", line 42, in run
    self._retval = self.__target(*self.__args, **self.__kwargs)
                   ~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
  File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/apport/crashdb_impl/launchpad.py", line 223, in upload
    ticket = upload_blob(blob_file, progress_callback, hostname=self.get_hostname())
  File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/apport/crashdb_impl/launchpad.py", line 1251, in upload_blob
    assert ticket
           ^^^^^^
AssertionError
david@ubudgie:~$

```

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**Author:** ![fossfreedom](https://yyz1.discourse-cdn.com/flex035/user_avatar/discourse.ubuntubudgie.org/fossfreedom/32/1405_2.png) [@fossfreedom](https://discourse.ubuntubudgie.org/u/fossfreedom)\
**Post date:** [January 29, 2025, 10:35pm UTC](https://discourse.ubuntubudgie.org/t/25-04-testing-are-you-brave-enough/7498/19 "2025-01-29T22:35:15Z")

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…so ubuntu-bug itself has a bug !

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**Author:** ![Frogshair](https://yyz1.discourse-cdn.com/flex035/user_avatar/discourse.ubuntubudgie.org/frogshair/32/1515_2.png) [@Frogshair](https://discourse.ubuntubudgie.org/u/Frogshair)\
**Post date:** [January 29, 2025, 10:38pm UTC](https://discourse.ubuntubudgie.org/t/25-04-testing-are-you-brave-enough/7498/20 "2025-01-29T22:38:54Z")

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Don’t know , having two versions of snapd stuck me as a conflict. You would know better than I how to interpret the terminal output.

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