# Applets appear in the wrong place on panel on startup

**URL:** <https://discourse.ubuntubudgie.org/t/applets-appear-in-the-wrong-place-on-panel-on-startup/5969>\
**Category:** Budgie Desktop\
**Created:** [May 16, 2022, 8:26pm UTC](https://discourse.ubuntubudgie.org/t/applets-appear-in-the-wrong-place-on-panel-on-startup/5969 "2022-05-16T20:26:06Z")\
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**Author:** ![downey](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a87d85/32.png) [@downey](https://discourse.ubuntubudgie.org/u/downey)\
**Post date:** [May 16, 2022, 8:26pm UTC](https://discourse.ubuntubudgie.org/t/applets-appear-in-the-wrong-place-on-panel-on-startup/5969/1 "2022-05-16T20:26:06Z")

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on startup some of my applets appear in the wrong place. the separator applets specifically. i would have to move the applet around to update the position on panel to fix it.

this is a bit annoying. is there anything i can do to fix this?

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**Author:** ![fossfreedom](https://yyz1.discourse-cdn.com/flex035/user_avatar/discourse.ubuntubudgie.org/fossfreedom/32/1405_2.png) [@fossfreedom](https://discourse.ubuntubudgie.org/u/fossfreedom)\
**Post date:** [May 16, 2022, 8:36pm UTC](https://discourse.ubuntubudgie.org/t/applets-appear-in-the-wrong-place-on-panel-on-startup/5969/2 "2022-05-16T20:36:36Z")

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Lots of threads on this issue

> [@Long time no see : last icons in top panel change position](https://discourse.ubuntubudgie.org/t/long-time-no-see-last-icons-in-top-panel-change-position/4839/2):
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> When icons go wandering it is usually because you have uninstalled an applet that the layout you are using depends upon. When this happens you don’t really have a choice other than to reinstall the missing applets and then reset the panel. nohup budgie-panel --reset --replace & For any layout - don’t uninstall the key applets - you don’t need them on the panel - but you still need to have them installed.

Funnily enough in recent days upstream had a pull request that could fix this issue permanently.

Do you want to help test this? I can create a test PPA with the proposed fix in.

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**Author:** ![downey](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a87d85/32.png) [@downey](https://discourse.ubuntubudgie.org/u/downey)\
**Post date:** [May 16, 2022, 8:40pm UTC](https://discourse.ubuntubudgie.org/t/applets-appear-in-the-wrong-place-on-panel-on-startup/5969/3 "2022-05-16T20:40:48Z")

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of course, however i am a newcomer to Linux. so i may need a little guidance.

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**Author:** ![fossfreedom](https://yyz1.discourse-cdn.com/flex035/user_avatar/discourse.ubuntubudgie.org/fossfreedom/32/1405_2.png) [@fossfreedom](https://discourse.ubuntubudgie.org/u/fossfreedom)\
**Post date:** [May 16, 2022, 10:53pm UTC](https://discourse.ubuntubudgie.org/t/applets-appear-in-the-wrong-place-on-panel-on-startup/5969/4 "2022-05-16T22:53:04Z")

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ok,

assuming you are using 22.04

In a terminal copy paste:

```
sudo add-apt-repository ppa:ubuntubudgie-dev/wanderingicon
sudo apt upgrade

```

logout and login or reboot

Have a look at your applets and see if they are now placed as you want - try moving applets around. Logout and login again to check if things are now retained in the position you left them.

After testing you should revert back to the repo version of budgie-desktop and remove the test PPA

```
sudo ppa-purge ppa:ubuntubudgie-dev/wanderingicon

```

Let me know how you get on.

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**Author:** ![downey](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a87d85/32.png) [@downey](https://discourse.ubuntubudgie.org/u/downey)\
**Post date:** [May 16, 2022, 11:13pm UTC](https://discourse.ubuntubudgie.org/t/applets-appear-in-the-wrong-place-on-panel-on-startup/5969/5 "2022-05-16T23:13:37Z")

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that seems to fix the issue.  
after purging, the applet started wandering again.

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**Author:** ![fossfreedom](https://yyz1.discourse-cdn.com/flex035/user_avatar/discourse.ubuntubudgie.org/fossfreedom/32/1405_2.png) [@fossfreedom](https://discourse.ubuntubudgie.org/u/fossfreedom)\
**Post date:** [May 17, 2022, 8:03am UTC](https://discourse.ubuntubudgie.org/t/applets-appear-in-the-wrong-place-on-panel-on-startup/5969/6 "2022-05-17T08:03:52Z")

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Thanks for testing. That is certainly an interesting observation - the fix in your case seems to hide the issue rather than permanently fixing it. We need a bit more info from you to see what is going on with your set up.

Please can you share with us your budgie setup - in a terminal

```
dconf dump /com/solus-project/ > ~/budgie-dconf-dump.txt

```

In your reply you can use the file-manager and drag-and-drop the .txt file found in your home folder into the post.

It is a text file - it will not contain any sensitive information - but you can assure yourself by just opening the .txt file in your favourite text editor and have a look over the contents.

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**Author:** ![downey](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a87d85/32.png) [@downey](https://discourse.ubuntubudgie.org/u/downey)\
**Post date:** [May 17, 2022, 8:12am UTC](https://discourse.ubuntubudgie.org/t/applets-appear-in-the-wrong-place-on-panel-on-startup/5969/7 "2022-05-17T08:12:58Z")

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usually its one of the spacers or the separators that go wandering.

[budgie-dconf-dump.txt](https://discourse.ubuntubudgie.org/uploads/short-url/vVyk5LGy5vDG7Swwjo34GQ4sh5U.txt) (4.4 KB)

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**Author:** ![fossfreedom](https://yyz1.discourse-cdn.com/flex035/user_avatar/discourse.ubuntubudgie.org/fossfreedom/32/1405_2.png) [@fossfreedom](https://discourse.ubuntubudgie.org/u/fossfreedom)\
**Post date:** [May 17, 2022, 2:34pm UTC](https://discourse.ubuntubudgie.org/t/applets-appear-in-the-wrong-place-on-panel-on-startup/5969/8 "2022-05-17T14:34:32Z")

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Can you please post all the budgie packages you have installed?

```
dpkg -l | grep budgie > ~/packages.txt

```

The above will create a text file of all budgie related packages in your home folder.

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**Author:** ![downey](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a87d85/32.png) [@downey](https://discourse.ubuntubudgie.org/u/downey)\
**Post date:** [May 17, 2022, 4:33pm UTC](https://discourse.ubuntubudgie.org/t/applets-appear-in-the-wrong-place-on-panel-on-startup/5969/9 "2022-05-17T16:33:21Z")

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[packages.txt](https://discourse.ubuntubudgie.org/uploads/short-url/osdBQEYkNKVaDatMGZQscs8mddN.txt) (5.7 KB)

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**Author:** ![fossfreedom](https://yyz1.discourse-cdn.com/flex035/user_avatar/discourse.ubuntubudgie.org/fossfreedom/32/1405_2.png) [@fossfreedom](https://discourse.ubuntubudgie.org/u/fossfreedom)\
**Post date:** [May 18, 2022, 1:08pm UTC](https://discourse.ubuntubudgie.org/t/applets-appear-in-the-wrong-place-on-panel-on-startup/5969/10 "2022-05-18T13:08:32Z")

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hmm

unfortunately I can’t reproduce your issue with your info that you have provided.

Lets see if we can fix this without losing your panel layout.

```
dconf dump /com/solus-project/ > ~/budgie-dconf-dump.txt

```

Run the above to save your current config.

Then lets reset your panel.

```
budgie-panel --reset --replace &

```

Finally lets reload your original config

```
dconf load /com/solus-project/ < ~/budgie-dconf-dump.txt

```

Reboot

```
reboot --

```

Retest logging out/in and see if you still see wandering icons.

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**Author:** ![downey](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a87d85/32.png) [@downey](https://discourse.ubuntubudgie.org/u/downey)\
**Post date:** [May 18, 2022, 1:40pm UTC](https://discourse.ubuntubudgie.org/t/applets-appear-in-the-wrong-place-on-panel-on-startup/5969/11 "2022-05-18T13:40:21Z")

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when i follow these instructions the icons still start wandering.  
however i did get this message. I’m not sure if this is normal.

```auto
downey@downey-X580VD:~$ budgie-panel --reset --replace &
[1] 13952
downey@downey-X580VD:~$ ** Message: 15:15:39.150: manager.vala:542: Resetting budgie-panel configuration to defaults
** Message: 15:15:39.150: manager.vala:438: Resetting dconf path: /com/solus-project/budgie-panel/
** Message: 15:15:39.244: manager.vala:617: Creating default panel layout

(budgie-panel:13952): GLib-GObject-WARNING **: 15:15:39.429: ../../../gobject/gsignal.c:1760: parameter 1 of type 'SynapseResultSet' for signal "SynapseDataSink::search-done" is not a value type

**(budgie-panel:13952): CRITICAL**: 15:15:39.496: Client.vala:88: Initializing client failed
** Message: 15:15:39.793: libsession.vala:45: DESKTOP_AUTOSTART_ID not set, session registration may be broken (not running budgie-desktop?)

```

i also made another setup that also starts to wander. in that setup its easier to see the applets wandering.  
[budgie-dconf-dump.txt](https://discourse.ubuntubudgie.org/uploads/short-url/zMqqknilb91TnehUm7aEkIwJcUq.txt) (10.1 KB)

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**Author:** ![fossfreedom](https://yyz1.discourse-cdn.com/flex035/user_avatar/discourse.ubuntubudgie.org/fossfreedom/32/1405_2.png) [@fossfreedom](https://discourse.ubuntubudgie.org/u/fossfreedom)\
**Post date:** [May 18, 2022, 2:28pm UTC](https://discourse.ubuntubudgie.org/t/applets-appear-in-the-wrong-place-on-panel-on-startup/5969/12 "2022-05-18T14:28:53Z")

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Ah … damn - yeah - what is happening is the reload is not actually loading but is merging with the reset panel. So some really weird stuff is occurring.

'fraid at this point, you just have to reset the panel and tinker with it again manually.

```auto
budgie-panel --reset --replace &

```

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**Author:** ![downey](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a87d85/32.png) [@downey](https://discourse.ubuntubudgie.org/u/downey)\
**Post date:** [May 18, 2022, 5:40pm UTC](https://discourse.ubuntubudgie.org/t/applets-appear-in-the-wrong-place-on-panel-on-startup/5969/13 "2022-05-18T17:40:59Z")

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i ran that command and i got this output

```auto

downey@downey-X580VD:~$ budgie-panel --reset --replace &
[1] 9660
downey@downey-X580VD:~$ ** Message: 19:13:38.019: manager.vala:542: Resetting budgie-panel configuration to defaults
** Message: 19:13:38.020: manager.vala:438: Resetting dconf path: /com/solus-project/budgie-panel/
** Message: 19:13:38.117: manager.vala:617: Creating default panel layout

(budgie-panel:9660): GLib-GObject-WARNING **: 19:13:38.294: ../../../gobject/gsignal.c:1760: parameter 1 of type 'SynapseResultSet' for signal "SynapseDataSink::search-done" is not a value type

**(budgie-panel:9660): CRITICAL**: 19:13:38.349: Client.vala:88: Initializing client failed
** Message: 19:13:38.646: libsession.vala:45: DESKTOP_AUTOSTART_ID not set, session registration may be broken (not running budgie-desktop?)
sys:1: Warning: g_signal_emit_valist: assertion 'signal_id > 0' failed
** Message: 19:13:49.155: settings_main.vala:151: Acquired org.budgie_desktop.Settings DBus connection
** Message: 19:14:31.356: manager.vala:438: Resetting dconf path: /com/solus-project/budgie-panel/applets/{db943cf3-d6cd-11ec-b71e-07849cbf9e9c}/
** Message: 19:14:31.390: manager.vala:438: Resetting dconf path: /org/solus-project/budgie-panel/instance/budgie-menu/{db943cf3-d6cd-11ec-b71e-07849cbf9e9c}/
** Message: 19:14:33.355: manager.vala:438: Resetting dconf path: /com/solus-project/budgie-panel/applets/{db943cf4-d6cd-11ec-b71e-07849cbf9e9c}/
** Message: 19:14:34.979: manager.vala:438: Resetting dconf path: /com/solus-project/budgie-panel/applets/{db943cf5-d6cd-11ec-b71e-07849cbf9e9c}/
** Message: 19:14:34.994: manager.vala:438: Resetting dconf path: /com/solus-project/budgie-panel/instance/spacer/{db943cf5-d6cd-11ec-b71e-07849cbf9e9c}/
** Message: 19:14:37.163: manager.vala:438: Resetting dconf path: /com/solus-project/budgie-panel/applets/{db943cf6-d6cd-11ec-b71e-07849cbf9e9c}/
** Message: 19:14:37.179: manager.vala:438: Resetting dconf path: /com/solus-project/budgie-panel/instance/spacer/{db943cf6-d6cd-11ec-b71e-07849cbf9e9c}/
** Message: 19:14:39.795: manager.vala:438: Resetting dconf path: /com/solus-project/budgie-panel/applets/{db943cf8-d6cd-11ec-b71e-07849cbf9e9c}/
** Message: 19:14:39.811: manager.vala:438: Resetting dconf path: /com/solus-project/budgie-panel/instance/spacer/{db943cf8-d6cd-11ec-b71e-07849cbf9e9c}/
** Message: 19:14:41.508: manager.vala:438: Resetting dconf path: /com/solus-project/budgie-panel/applets/{db943cf7-d6cd-11ec-b71e-07849cbf9e9c}/
** Message: 19:14:41.525: manager.vala:438: Resetting dconf path: /com/solus-project/clock/instance/clock/{db943cf7-d6cd-11ec-b71e-07849cbf9e9c}/
** Message: 19:14:44.283: manager.vala:438: Resetting dconf path: /com/solus-project/budgie-panel/applets/{db943cf9-d6cd-11ec-b71e-07849cbf9e9c}/
** Message: 19:14:46.884: manager.vala:438: Resetting dconf path: /com/solus-project/budgie-panel/applets/{db943cfa-d6cd-11ec-b71e-07849cbf9e9c}/
** Message: 19:14:46.900: manager.vala:438: Resetting dconf path: /com/solus-project/budgie-panel/instance/spacer/{db943cfa-d6cd-11ec-b71e-07849cbf9e9c}/
** Message: 19:14:48.803: manager.vala:438: Resetting dconf path: /com/solus-project/budgie-panel/applets/{db943cfb-d6cd-11ec-b71e-07849cbf9e9c}/
** Message: 19:14:50.371: manager.vala:438: Resetting dconf path: /com/solus-project/budgie-panel/applets/{db943cfc-d6cd-11ec-b71e-07849cbf9e9c}/
** Message: 19:14:50.387: manager.vala:438: Resetting dconf path: /com/solus-project/budgie-panel/instance/spacer/{db943cfc-d6cd-11ec-b71e-07849cbf9e9c}/
** Message: 19:14:52.299: manager.vala:438: Resetting dconf path: /com/solus-project/budgie-panel/applets/{db943cfd-d6cd-11ec-b71e-07849cbf9e9c}/
** Message: 19:14:54.515: manager.vala:438: Resetting dconf path: /com/solus-project/budgie-panel/applets/{db943cfe-d6cd-11ec-b71e-07849cbf9e9c}/
** Message: 19:14:54.530: manager.vala:438: Resetting dconf path: /com/solus-project/budgie-panel/instance/spacer/{db943cfe-d6cd-11ec-b71e-07849cbf9e9c}/
** Message: 19:14:56.357: manager.vala:438: Resetting dconf path: /com/solus-project/budgie-panel/applets/{db943cff-d6cd-11ec-b71e-07849cbf9e9c}/
** Message: 19:15:01.148: manager.vala:438: Resetting dconf path: /com/solus-project/budgie-panel/applets/{db943d0b-d6cd-11ec-b71e-07849cbf9e9c}/
** Message: 19:15:03.243: manager.vala:438: Resetting dconf path: /com/solus-project/budgie-panel/applets/{db943d0c-d6cd-11ec-b71e-07849cbf9e9c}/
** Message: 19:15:03.258: manager.vala:438: Resetting dconf path: /com/solus-project/budgie-panel/instance/spacer/{db943d0c-d6cd-11ec-b71e-07849cbf9e9c}/
** Message: 19:15:05.419: manager.vala:438: Resetting dconf path: /com/solus-project/budgie-panel/applets/{db943d0a-d6cd-11ec-b71e-07849cbf9e9c}/
** Message: 19:15:05.434: manager.vala:438: Resetting dconf path: /com/solus-project/budgie-panel/instance/spacer/{db943d0a-d6cd-11ec-b71e-07849cbf9e9c}/
** Message: 19:15:07.691: manager.vala:438: Resetting dconf path: /com/solus-project/budgie-panel/applets/{db943d09-d6cd-11ec-b71e-07849cbf9e9c}/
** Message: 19:15:10.268: manager.vala:438: Resetting dconf path: /com/solus-project/budgie-panel/applets/{db943d08-d6cd-11ec-b71e-07849cbf9e9c}/
** Message: 19:15:10.283: manager.vala:438: Resetting dconf path: /com/solus-project/budgie-panel/instance/spacer/{db943d08-d6cd-11ec-b71e-07849cbf9e9c}/
** Message: 19:15:12.476: manager.vala:438: Resetting dconf path: /com/solus-project/budgie-panel/applets/{db943d07-d6cd-11ec-b71e-07849cbf9e9c}/
** Message: 19:15:12.491: manager.vala:438: Resetting dconf path: /com/solus-project/budgie-panel/instance/status/{db943d07-d6cd-11ec-b71e-07849cbf9e9c}/
** Message: 19:15:15.571: manager.vala:438: Resetting dconf path: /com/solus-project/budgie-panel/applets/{db943d00-d6cd-11ec-b71e-07849cbf9e9c}/
** Message: 19:15:15.586: manager.vala:438: Resetting dconf path: /com/solus-project/budgie-panel/instance/spacer/{db943d00-d6cd-11ec-b71e-07849cbf9e9c}/
** Message: 19:15:18.876: manager.vala:438: Resetting dconf path: /com/solus-project/budgie-panel/applets/{db943d02-d6cd-11ec-b71e-07849cbf9e9c}/
** Message: 19:15:18.890: manager.vala:438: Resetting dconf path: /com/solus-project/budgie-panel/instance/spacer/{db943d02-d6cd-11ec-b71e-07849cbf9e9c}/
** Message: 19:15:20.483: manager.vala:438: Resetting dconf path: /com/solus-project/budgie-panel/applets/{db943d01-d6cd-11ec-b71e-07849cbf9e9c}/
** Message: 19:15:20.498: manager.vala:438: Resetting dconf path: /com/solus-project/budgie-panel/instance/places-indicator/{db943d01-d6cd-11ec-b71e-07849cbf9e9c}/
sys:1: Warning: g_bytes_compare: assertion 'bytes1 != NULL' failed
** Message: 19:15:26.445: manager.vala:438: Resetting dconf path: /com/solus-project/budgie-panel/applets/{db943d05-d6cd-11ec-b71e-07849cbf9e9c}/
** Message: 19:15:28.299: manager.vala:438: Resetting dconf path: /com/solus-project/budgie-panel/applets/{db943d04-d6cd-11ec-b71e-07849cbf9e9c}/
** Message: 19:15:28.314: manager.vala:438: Resetting dconf path: /com/solus-project/budgie-panel/instance/spacer/{db943d04-d6cd-11ec-b71e-07849cbf9e9c}/
** Message: 19:15:32.867: manager.vala:438: Resetting dconf path: /com/solus-project/budgie-panel/applets/{db943d03-d6cd-11ec-b71e-07849cbf9e9c}/

**(budgie-panel:9660): WARNING**: 19:16:52.913: BudgieMenuWindow.vala:311: Software has no parent directory, not adding to menu

```

i then setup my old layout manually again.  
i then closed the terminal. after that the panel crashed and disappeared. i then rebooted with the terminal. and my icons were wandering again.

here is an image.  
[![](https://i.imgur.com/I63oune.png) ](https://i.imgur.com/I63oune.png)